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Where Have All The Elk Gone? Long Time Passing

February 29, 2008

Map of the state of IdahoHow many elk are there in the Northern Rockies area in and around Yellowstone National Park where wolves now control the landscape? How many were freely roaming the forests and the plains in their peak? How many are there now?

I’m not so naive that I don’t understand at least to some degree about counting wildlife. There are two things I know for sure; wild game are difficult to count and is mostly done based on gathering data rather than counting one by one, and when asked, fish and game officials are supposed to give out “official” numbers – I would suppose those put together from the last round of calculations even if their anecdotal evidence reveals something different.

What is oftentimes overlooked or just not brought up in discussions involving game populations is a break down of numbers. An example of this might be if officials state there are 100,000 elk in Idaho (this is a random figure). They may also claim that compared to previous years’ the population of elk is holding steady, etc. What would happen though if it was broken down by wildlife management areas? Would we see something different? Would we see a pattern that would show that in areas of large concentrations of predators, those numbers are substantially reduced and where there are fewer predators, elk and deer numbers continue to grow?

Of late, I am hearing from several people that the elk and deer in Idaho have or are disappearing faster than officials can count them. Is this true? Who does the counting? When is the counting done? If the elk are disappearing and vanishing that quickly, then we have to ask why?

I have stated in the past that I have a healthy respect for wildlife biologists and most fish and game departments. That respect dwindles in a hurry once these individuals and organizations become corrupt, mostly due to politics and hidden agendas. With that said, I also have a larger respect for the person that is in the field every day – the one who witnesses on a regular basis changes to the landscape, can compare those changes to evidence from years gone by, etc. These are the hunters, the trappers, the fishermen, the guides, the outfitters, the ones on the front lines nearly everyday. Any intelligently run fish and game department would be relying on these people’s eyes and ears for important information as to what is going on out there.

So, where have all the elk gone? Are they someplace where nobody can find them or do they just not exist anymore? Is the official elk count in Idaho only “official” because they haven’t official data that can render a change is official status? Are those claiming the elk are gone exaggerating their stories to embellish the truth? Are the wolves to blame? Are the bears to blame? Is it drought conditions or deep snow pack and extreme weather conditions? Is it a combination of all these factors or none of these? Some are claiming it is time to place the mule deer and elk on the threatened or endangered list because it is near extinction in some areas.

The other day I posted a brief comment from Robert Fanning of the Friends of the Northern Yellowstone Elk Herd. In Pray, Montana, which is just outside the northern fringes of Yellowstone where Fanning lives, the elk that usually winter there just aren’t there, according to Mr. Fanning. He writes, “There used to be 19,700 elk in the Mt FWP (Montana Fish, Wildlife and Parks) winter range next to my home, now we are down to 400. No bulls. No calves.”

That’s a whole lot of meat on hooves that have gone somewhere!

I also received a copy of a letter that was written by an outfitter in Idaho, Shane McAfee. You can find a complete copy of his letter at the Western Institute for the Study of the Environment’s website.

McAfee says his business is suffering badly because there are no elk and deer left for his clients so they no long want to come to Idaho to hunt.

In 1996 our Unit 28 opening week saw ten hunters harvest nine bull elk (1-7×7, 6-6×6’s and 2- 5×5’s). All mature bulls, all happy hunters! Eleven years later, after the wolves multiplied here, this season (2007) we harvested only one spike bull and four deer out of twenty total hunters. On my first three hunts last year I went 15 days horseback guiding and never saw an elk! Almost all of the hunters never wanted to see Idaho again; and yes, they were very upset!

McAfee blames it on the wolves that are exploding in population and are being allowed to grow unchecked.

After I posted the short article mentioned above about Bob Fanning’s claims that nearly 20,000 elk have been reduced to 400, readers began leaving comments. I got a comment from Greg Farber who lives in Idaho. Here is part of what Greg said.

I also have this information myself in my Master wolf file Ive been building. Not only that the Largest Elk herd of the North West from the Selway is GONE guys. 26,000 elk in 1996 and four head have been seen at the Winter Ranges along the Clear Water In Idaho. As well the Middle Fork of the Boise River used to have 10,000+ elk Wintering along this River from Atlanta to Lucky Peak, Ive driven this road three times this Winter and I have glassed 160 head. The South Fork of the Boise River should have 8,000 head along that drainage and Ive seen 57 elk in there. The Payette River between Grandjean and Lowman Idaho where I grew up and still spend time at should have 4500 head of elk in those wintering spots, I located 54 cows, no bulls, no calves. I found 300 elk in the King Hill Area South of Bennett Mountain, there should be 5000 head there.

I emailed Greg because I found this information staggering. I wanted to communicate with him outside of a public forum so that I could ask him if he thought there were explanations to the disappearance of all these elk other than wolves, bears and mountain lions.

Tom-I don’t honestly know where the elk are, all I can tell you is for 35 years I have gone to these places with my uncle and myself to watch the elk and to gather horns which were shed at those sites. I have not located any elk sheds, I used to fill the truck bed with elk-deer sheds. Now I just try to find elk. I live in unit 48, which was a fantastic trophy bull unit, And I used to watch those monster bulls in winter here, they are not here. I would not take this tag for free, there is nothing to hunt. The voice of the people such as myself is not heard or listened too. IFG, and FWS, are covering up this ….I dont know what too call it…a crime I guess. I’m a packer Tom, with horses and mules, I will be out there in the saddle as soon as the snow is off for three months, Im not going to work, Im going to stay on the ground and do what I can for truth. The question in my mind is there is no place else these elk can be, there is no other alternative winter range in these places, if they are not there at the ranges, their under the snow and predation has gotten them as well. In all my years we were told too not chase or bother elk in winter due to heavy snows killing them, especially exhausting them by making them run in it, yet the wolf can do it? The bottom line here is elk in deep snow and hungry wolves is a recipe for disaster, this is what we have in Idaho. I guess if these public servants continue too lie, then perhaps we need to physically remove them and replace them with people whom have integrity and want too be fair. I just do not know what we can do too right this thing. The authority’s are being controlled by the wrong people, and it is not us. I tell everyone too stop buying tags, there is no sense in taking a gun out there and killing a cow elk, if you can find it. I thought since 1999 my skills as a hunter were fading, Ive taken 23 elk in the same darn place consistently, my last one was 1999. Same thing on mule deer, I hunted those big boys in the back country and have four 30”+toads on the wall and these guys are 200 classs bucks. I can not find any in the usual winter spots to gather their sheds and comfort myself basically that those big bucks are ok. There not ok. I wish I could describe too you the feeling I have inside me when I see what I see, and know in my heart what has happened and yet the agencies come out and lie to us about herd counts. Maybe the feeling right now is helplessness.

Greg.

Below is a video of a flight over the back country of Idaho in search of wintering elk. The flight was done by the Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife Idaho. They hired whom they thought was the most experienced pilot who could locate all the wintering ranges for the elk. See for yourself what they found.

Tom Remington

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8 Responses to “Where Have All The Elk Gone? Long Time Passing”

  1. Shayne Young on April 14th, 2008 3:21 pm

    That’s why I no longer hunt in the central part of the state, no elk. They have been gradually disappearing since 2000 to where we are today, gone! I have been going south in my hunting, but I can see the same pattern occuring as the wolf numbers are starting to increase every where. Eastern and South Eastern part of the state appear to be only about 10 years away to be in similar condition that the central part of the state is today.

  2. Steven Lauder on April 21st, 2008 12:03 pm

    The Federal Government and special interests have let this disaster happen and they won’t admit their folly. Immediate animal control efforts must be made to bring the wolf population into control.
    I, as a lifelong hunter would be willing to help with this if there were affordable permits available in Idaho for Wolf.
    Let me know when Wildlife Officials “wake up” and let me know where I can obtain a permit for wolves.
    Respectfully yours,

    A very, very concerned lifelong hunter.

  3. CHUCK on April 21st, 2008 4:38 pm

    I HAVE BEEN HUNTING IN IDAHO FOR A FEW YEARS NOW..
    I AM FROM UTAH WHERE OUR ELK HERDS ARE DOING WELL..
    I WAS UP BY STANLEY TWO YEARS AGO WHEN I WAS CONFRONTED BY TWO WOLVES…LET ME TELL YOU, THEY ARE NOT SCARED OF ANYONE OR ANYTHING…I WAS BY STANLEY LAKE ROAD(PAVED ROAD) WHEN THEY CAME OUT INTO MY CAMP!! IT DIDN’T MATTER IF I YELLED OR THREW ITEMS AT THEM, THEY WOULD RUN OUT ABOUT 50 YARDS AND THEN THEY WOULD SIT DOWN AND WAIT….I WAS PROBABLY ON THE DINNER MENU!! I PACKED UP AND LEFT…THE NEXT DAY I WAS HUNTING UP BY THE CHURCHHILL WILDERNESS AREA WHEN I RAN INTO ANOTHER PACK OF WOLVES?
    HOW MANY WOLVES ARE UP THERE IF I AM RUNNING INTO WOLVES THAT FREQUENTLY?? I TALKED TO A BUNCH OF OTHER HUNTERS, THEY ALL HAD SIMILAR STORIES TO TELL?
    LAST YEAR I HUNTER THE SOUTH EASTERN AREA….HUNTERS TOLD ME THAT THEY HAD A HARD TIME FINDING THE ELK? THIS MUST BE A MAJOR PROBLEM !!!
    I WISH THE STATE WOULD DECLARE THE WOLVES AS A VARMINT LIKE WYOMING DID….
    IT IS TIME TO TAKE ACTION ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!
    IF IDAHO DOES NOT REACT SOON THE ELK WILL BE EXTINCT….
    WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN????????

  4. Matt R. on April 23rd, 2008 3:03 am

    I just want to say this is something we as hunter’s all saw coming. It was obvious. Experts warned suppoter’s of the Wolf re-introduction that the cons far outwayed the pros. Looks like the experts were right and i agree with them, the West cant support a large Wolf population right now, more than ever! What now? To me it’s kinda like taking an elk herd and putting it into a paper shredder and then saying oop’s, how do we put it back together…Anyway, just something on my mind a lot lately. Good Luck on the hunts this year!!!

  5. Bruce on April 25th, 2008 6:49 am

    http://ruralamericanwest.blogspot.com/ check out this blog.

    Yes many of us understood the game plan from the beginning but the city hunters especially those in the East sided with the pro wolf people. Time everyone wakes up. Wolves are dangerous super predator that can completely wipe out their prey species. Educated learn and pass this on to all the hunting forums you can enough of this nonsesne that wolves are more important then people.

  6. Greg Blotter on April 25th, 2008 5:53 pm

    It is sad to see elk herds disapear or drastically been reduced. There are many hunters, outfitters, biologists that will tell you it’s a huge problem in many areas, in Idaho,Wyoming, and Montana. Support groups like Sportsmen for Fish and Wildlife. They are fighting the fight for sportsmen in my opinion. Wolves are now delisted. Antis will fight with law suits. Sportsmen must win this war. Get involved.

  7. Bud on July 5th, 2008 10:48 pm

    I too do not beleive the elk numbers posted by the IDFG, at least as they pertain to the numbers in central idaho. In fact, all you have to do is look at the number of elk taken each year and the success rate and compare it to the numbers in and prior to the early 1990′s. We use to find numerous elk in our area and if it snowed, tracks would be everywhere. There also used to be more hunters than there is now and more cattle grazing, both of which one would think would have a negative effect on elk numbers. However, the elk have all but disappeared in those areas as we hunt hard and although we’ve had some success, we have to work just to find fresh sign and on most days we do not. During the 2003 bow season, I had three wolves bark at me as I was hiking up a ridge about an hour before light. I did not see them but they were all within 100 yards and at different directions above me. I held up near a large fir for a bit then continued up the ridge where, to my suprise, I found a small group of elk. My guess is that I screwed up their stalk. These are not the only wolves I’ve encountered. I think wolves have done two things: first, they have killed a large number of adult and vast numbers of youg elk and second, the elk are not returning to the montane areas because of the pressure they receive from wolves once they get there. Raher, they are staying at lower elevations and near urban areas where wolf encounters are fewer, but are increasing. This is a concern becuase the migration routes need to be learned. I am however, optimistic that once we start hunting wolves that they will become afraid of humans again and stay in the backcounty along with reducing their populations. The elk on the other hand will continue to be a more difficult animal to hunt because of their increased alertness.

  8. Ronnie on October 18th, 2008 4:40 am

    I am planning to go to the Bitter Root in 2009..maybe I should plan to go to CO instead…How is the hunting going in Area 17 in 2008?

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